Saturday, August 20, 2005

"Every Sperm is Sacred" as done by "No Treason" part 6

Having dodged my questions on "Free Riding Parents" Kennedy jumps in with both feet with Kendrick McPeters: (from the American Liberty archives: h/t Mike Scheider)

Kennedy had written previously:

That's not obvious at all. We have rights as a consequence of our nature as rational animals. That nature ends with death or brain death. But that nature begins at conception. That nature is fully present at every stage of the life cycle of a healthy human organism.

McPeters asks the question:

You're telling me that a BLASTOCYTE has the nature of a rational animal?

Kennedy responds with:

I'm saying that immature human organisms have human nature.
Kendrick asks:

With which of its handful of cells does it generate rational thought?

Kennedy responds:

An immature human organism will develop a rational faculty at a later stage of development. Wait and see.

Kendrick asks:

Exactly what *choices* can a blastocyte make with its purportedly "rational nature?"

Kennedy responds:

What choice can a sleeping man make, or a man in a coma, or a man irrational with fever?
Kendrick suggests:

Please take a look at this photo... make sure that you grok the nature of what you're calling a rational animal.
Kennedy says:

Yeah, got it. Has the same nature as you and me. Nothing else grows into something like you or me. Wonder why that is?

Kennedy had written:

The rights which are a consequence of your nature as a rational animal are not absent when rationality is temporarily absent.
Kendrick had responded:

Rationality is not "temporarily absent" from a blastocyte. It lies, at best, many many months into its hypothetical future. (The majority of blastocytes naturally miscarry -- Oh, the humanity!)
Kennedy says:

Miscarriage and the intentional abortion of a healthy child are very different things.

To which I responded:

You are seriously trying to tell me that a few cells clumped together has the same rights as a full fledged human being?

Ok - riddle me this - Say I am a wealthy woman and I decide that I want to make a whole bunch of embryos for harvest at a later time. I go down to the local sperm bank and I have my OB-GYN harvest some eggs from me and then they fertilize my eggs with that sperm.

We then put the embryos on ice for a few years while I carry on with my life and wait for the right
time to plant the embryos into me - when I can afford the time, and effort to gestate and then
deliver and raise the resulting baby.

However - I stupidly invested a lot of money into a VERY Band company. Unfotunatley - I get wiped
out financially. I am no longer able to afford the in-vitro process, nor am I able to afford the
upkeep of the frozen embryos at the IV Clinic.

Are you saying that I have a moral responsiblity to keep those embryos on ice - even if I have no
means to do so? If I tell the doctor to dispose of the embryos because I am not able to afford
the payments - then is that murder?

OR - am I morally obligated to implant ALL of the embroys and carry them to turn - and SAVE them?


You tell me?

Kennedy then comes back with:

If you have sextuplets are you morally obligated to care for all of them?

To which Kendrick chimes in with

Well, it looks like Meaghan has inadvertantly stumbled across another
reductio absurdum...

Howzabout we take a musical break?

There are Jews in the world, there are Buddists,
There are Hindus and Mormons and then
There are those that follow Mohammad, but
I've never been one of them.

I'm a Roman Catholic,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Catholics is
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.

You don't have to be a six footer,
You don't have to have a great brain,
You don't have to have any clothes on,
You're a Catholic the moment Dad came, because

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the heathen spill theirs,
On the dusty ground,
God shall make them pay for
Each sperm that can't be found.

Every sperm is wanted,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Hindu, Taoist, Morman,
Spill theirs just anywhere,
But God loves those who treat their
Semen with more care.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Every sperm is useful,
Every sperm is fine,
God needs everybody's,
Mine, and mine, and mine.

Let the pagans spill theirs,
O'er mountain, hill and plain.
God shall strike them down for
Each sperm that's spilt in vain.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is good,
Every sperm is needed,
In your neighborhood.

Every sperm is sacred,
Every sperm is great,
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Quite the catchy tune, dontcha agree?


PS: Thanks to Michael Palin and Terry Jones for the above lyrics.

Kennedy then responds:

It suffers from the fact that it's not on point, since I'm an atheist and sperm doesn't self-organize to resemble anything like you or me.

My response:

But an embryo in a laboratory that has been frozen to preserve it until the time that the parents are willing to try and implant them does - so why not deal with that...

OR better yet Say you and your wife are trying to get pregnant and she is not able to carry a child to term. Further - she has some terrible disease that has meant that they had to harvest her eggs
before performing a hysterectomy. So - you and she have the eggs fertilized with your sperm - and put them on ice until you can find somebody to be a surrogate or womb for rent.

Unfortunatley you can't find anybody willing to do the job.

Does the Embryo have the RIGHT to be gestated?


Kennedy responds finally here:

Like an infant it has a right to live, which means nobody has a right to kill it. The folks who brought the child into the world have moral responsibilities to it.

My response:

Wow - you heard it here first. The editor of the AnCap "No Treason" Webzine and professed freedom loving, John T. Kennedy has voiced his support for the enslavement of women and their bodies to provide for the rights of Embryos - even those that don't even exist in their biological mother's bodies.

"The purpose of an individual's life is not to serve God, the government or one's neighbor. Rather, the purpose of life is one's own happiness, which is secured through productive achievement and by engaging in voluntary, mutually-beneficial relationships with
others. A necessary condition for the pursuit of happiness is the recognition and protection of the right to property: "

Go back to Ayn Rand for a primer...

"The right to life is the source of all rights--and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave."

Lets just say that while the Embryos are frozen - the mother dies. What happens to the RIGHT of embryos to be implanted, gestated and born?

Reality would dictate that you implant them in the corpse of the mother - since she has the OBLIGATION to provide for them - and see how long they last...


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